I haven’t written a link building post in a while, because for the most part, I was off investigating other things. And getting way too complex. When I realized it’s the things I think are simple and run-of-the-mill that people really are looking to learn about. So as people ask me questions, I note them and try to write a post. I used to hate questions. Taking someone from “What’s a signature?” to viewing browser source in one sitting may be hard, but hopefully, it’s not impossible. Now I realize these questions are the master key to the type of traffic I want at this blog. So off we go.
Forums are basically where “social networks” started.
I talk to a lot of people who want to get traffic to their site. And they usually think I can tell them how in 10-15 minutes. So I try. Rarely do people listen. And out of those that listen, very few actually use what I tell them. I am not sure why this happens. Maybe they are lazy. Maybe they think, “How can something like that help me?”. But one guy I talked to I told to use forum signatures to build links. That was about all. I thought it was simple enough to get someone started. I told him to sign up for forums, add a signature file, forget about it and just converse. Put in your two cents where ever you can add something to the conversation. I did not list specific forums.
I told him that and I was thinking, yet another person not taking my advice. But I was wrong. A few weeks later, he came back to me and we checked the site. He has a micro business and is outranking local corporations here in Kansas City. He is doing this with a site built from templates. He doesn’t even know HTML. And what he used to do it, local business directories and forums. It blew my mind. One, for getting through to someone in 10 minutes. Two, for the results.
And since most people understand forums, I think it may be the best place for the average non-tech person to build links to his site, especially if you have the gift of gab. They have been around since they were called bulletin boards and some still are. You can find multiple forums on just about any topic you want.
There are many ways to get links to your site and links are votes. That is about the simplest way to think of them. Think of them as another site voting for your site to rank higher than other sites for a specific keyword. He who has the most votes, all else being the same, will rank the highest. It is not that simple and not the whole story, but if you are new to this, it is a good place to start.
Most other ways of getting links will get you one link from one site. You comment on a blog that uses dofollow and you get one link back from that post. You submit an article to an article directory and you get one link, most of the time. Run down the list of link building methods and it takes a lot of work to get one link. With forums, once you create a signature, that signature will now be under every post you add to a forum thread.
Remember that the links to your site count as “votes”. Well, in the early days of blogs, getting a link to your site was as easy as commenting on any random blog you happen to find. It was not long before spammers caught onto this.
To prevent spam, the “nofollow” tag was created. A normal link in html looks like this: <a href=”http://www.website.com”>This is your link text</a> and a “nofollow” link looks like this: <a href=”http://www.website.com” rel=”nofollow”>This is your link text</a> . That rel=”nofollow” does a lot. What it does is tell the search engines that happen to spider that page this link is not a vote for your site. In other words, the link is worthless for your rank in search engines like Google.
There are some people that say this link still counts as a vote with a lesser value, but if you are new to this, we will stick to this rule: if there is a rel=”nofollow” around your link, it is worthless for building your rank in the search engine results. If it is a high traffic forum, people may click on your link but it is not helping you anywhere else. It’s value is limited to those clickthroughs.
Okay, let’s see if a forum is passing rank. Browse to a thread in the forum of your choice and make sure there are some signature showing. To detect if a forum is using nofollow tags, first right click in the middle of your browser’s window. On a Mac, this would be Control and your normal mouse click. After doing that, a menu should pop up for you. Now depending on your browser, you should see something like “View Page Source” or just “View Source”. Click that.
Now that you are looking at a bunch of html code, the easiest way to determine if a forum is dofollow is just search the whole page for “nofollow”. Ctrl+F usually brings up a search menu on most browsers and you can do this with source code. So push Control and F at the same time, type “nofollow” and hit enter. If nothing comes up, you are at a dofollow forum.
If your search does turn up a “nofollow”, check it to see if it is around one of the signature links. People nofollow links on their site for various reasons and some other links on the page may be nofollow. To make that a bit easier, go back to the real page, copying one of the signature links, search for that on the html source (the page we got by right clicking) and determine if the signature link itself has a nofollow tag.
And there are Firefox extensions that make this easier. But if you are not using Firefox and are not used to addons, showing you how to use them would have made this post a lot longer and involved, so I skipped that process.
And most forums I have run into are dofollow, so the manual process of right clicking and viewing the source may be overkill, but it helps to know before you invest in creating a profile there and fleshing it out.
This will be a general tutorial and some forums are set up differently then others, so you may have to do some looking around to edit your forum profile.
Usually on a bar, across the top of a forum, you will see various links like Forum Jump, FAQ, Search, Tools. There should also be a “Sign Up” or “Register” link. Obviously, this is where you sign up. Do that first. Most are basic forms and most will send an email to the email address you used to sign up. You will have to click on this link before your forum membership is activated.
Once you have determined that the forum will follow signature links, you have signed up and you have activated your account, it is now time to add your signature and flesh out your profile. Look around on that top bar for something that says “Edit Signature”, “Edit Profile”, “Control Panel” or something similar. While you are in there, you might as well fill out your whole profile, because it will get some traffic from other forum users especially if you are active and on most forums, every post you make will also link back to your forum profile.
In your signature, put your links or your links and a small blurb. Some forums limit the amount of links and text and a whole bunch of links there looks a bit spammy, so use good judgement when creating your signature. And here are the basics of your link:
<a href=”http://www.thesiteyouarelinkingtoo.com” Title=”This pops up when you mouse over the link and should have important keywords, if allowed by forum”>This is your anchor text and should have important keywords</a>
Or, if the forum uses BB code, which many do: [link=http://www.thesiteyouarelinkingto]Your Anchor Text[/link]
Before the critical mass of blogs, if you searched for a very specific question on just about any topic, forums showed on the first page of results at Google. Now, chances are that blogs have taken that place in search engine results. But forums are out there and some still outrank the blogs.
Should you find forums related to your niche? Yes. That will give your most valuable backlinks because the content on both the forum and the site you are linking to in your forum signature are related. But if you find that this limits the amount of forums you can be active on, branch out to other forums and use them also. For example, if you only found 3 or 4 forums on “window and door repairs”, make sure you are active at those forums.
But if you have more time, go to unrelated forums and add your signature. And if you do, you might as well find ones on topics you like and can gab about for days. Most webmaster forums are full of members with signatures that have nothing to do with being a webmaster. The members still talk about webmaster things. But their signature point to unrelated sites.
One of the easiest ways to find forums is to use a keyword related to your niche and add forum to the end of it. Then search Google for that phrase, i.e “webmaster forum”. Basic and simple.
Another way is to use a forum search site. These sites search only forums. Just enter niche related terms and these search engines will search a bunch of forums at once and give you specific forum threads as results. Here are a couple:
I was going to build my own and still might, but there is a lot of forums out there and it is rare to run into one that does not give you a dofollow link. So instead I will lead you to other blogs. Use this list if you are lazy. These forums have already been checked for dofollow links.
Just don’t. That’s about it. The beauty of your signature at a forum is that you can forget about it. Do so. And start conversing. It may take a while. It’s like driving. At first, you stress out, thinking Step 1, Step2, Step3. But eventually, you’re a natural.
Don’t look for opportunities to get links. Just about any forum you land on will have hundreds of active threads. Browse them until something strikes you. Answer questions. Ask questions. Post tips. And mainly watch the other forum members. Learn from them.
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In firefox you could also select signatures and view just the source for signature code to make it faster to find nofollow/dofollow links.
Some forums nofollow links till user has a minimum number of posts.
Some forums would require bbcode for creating signature links. I am sure you should include the code in this post.
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BTW, You can add 4 signatures on DigitalPoint (I only see two for your user id). Infact, you can also change colors, bolden signatures and the best part, include deep links in forum signatures.
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Thanks for the great tips, which I could have added to the post, but I didn’t want it to get too complex. Give someone too many directions to go in the beginning and they will get caught up in the details. Thanks again, though. The comment section is a good place for extra tips and by leaving it as simple as I thought I could, it leaves a lot of room for you and others to come in and add more suggestions.
Already, the person the post was specifically written for (it started as an email to someone) doesn’t quite understand it all.
@Stephan: Thanks for a response. I understand that blog posts can’t really cover everything. The lists you have posted are indeed useful. I might already be on most of these forums but I am sure I will find some hidden gems.
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I love forum marketing just because of the direct traffic it sends, the SEO traffic is just a bonus!
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Great post. I spent half my day looking for some good real estate forums. Thanks!
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Nice post. I think many people overlook this easy method of not only getting links, but becoming an authority on their niche, and interacting in the right places.
I agree. Value of contributing via forums is good for direct traffic to your website and your SEO.
Good post
It’s all connected. I have a whole iGoogle page for dofollow blogs only. You might leak a little juice, but you got my traffic along with a bunch of other comments.
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I would thouroughly recommend following this advice, particularly if you have a relatively new site or dont have many back links yet. I have been using signatures in about half a dozen forums that I follow and you will be surprised at how quickly the links build up and also how quickly search engines (OK Google) finds them.
One thing that I would add is, when you join a forum,m remember to read the forum rules and any other relevent posts before making your first post. These are usually easy to find because they are often labeled “Read this before making your first post”. You will sometimes find that forums require a minimum number of posts before you can add a signature.
Yes, those are good tips. I have run into forums with minimum post requirements.
Thanks for the good information
I never know DP Forum actually has a do-follow rule. I guess I’m gonna post more often there now. Thanks for the “Title” tag too, I never knew about it before. Modifying my forum signatures now with my keywords
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I’ve recently read that Google is valueing forum sigs less than they once did. Has anyone seen evidence of that?
They may have or may have not. I know that I have changed the rank of various sites in the SERP’s where the only variable tested was forum signatures. By that I mean, the sites had other links pointing to them, but when I started posting to forums with signatures, all other links to the sites were already being counted by various search engines. So the only change in backlinks was from forums signatures.
One of the best tools I have found for tracking the increase of backlinks to your site is http://majesticseo.com. Full version is free for a site you own. You just have to upload a special page to your server so they can tell you own it.
Some forums are just so strict. Dunno why.
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another good information.
Yes, leaving your trails on forums is a great method. However I’ve found that many forums have gotten strict about signatures and dofollow links inside posts. Like the links are not allowed to be for self-promotion or affiliate sites. And as love online mentioned you have to have a certain number of posts first. A pretty sure bet for link love are webmaster forums because hey – it’s all about your site(s).
There’s a sweet firefox add-on I’m using called “NoDoFollow”. Once installed you only need to right mouse click and click on that same term in the menu. IT will then highlight all links, either in pink if its nofollow or in purple if it is dofollow. That saves so much time when you want to find out if a site or forum is waste of time for link juice or not.
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thanks good infomation ^^! i will bookmark this site and comeback
it’s good for me and my work ^^!
And the best part for a forum is that once you updated your signature, all of your signature under your old posts will be update too.
This is a tip if you want to generate traffic through your signature, reply to the thread that you think will become popular and provide linkback to your blog content.
great post,…thanks good information.
Thank you Stephan for the detailed and honest article. DoFollow forum marketing is a good way to build your links by a natural way without spamming. No need to cheat. Just participate in discussions as usually and get the bonus traffic.
Thanks for those good and helpful tips about forums. I have learned a lot.
Thanks for the tutorial. I am not aware before that I thought I was building a backlink on one forum that I am a member but applying this information here I found out that it is a no follow link forum. Thus I need to find another forum that allow do follow links.
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I havent seen many forums that allow dofollow links in the sig but i will start my hunt
Thanks a lot for the information. If I can I will try to follow some of your advice
You explained everything in a very detailed way, that’s very good for beginners. In my opinion links from forums aren’t excellent but it might be a good way to start. Nevertheless a link is a link is a link and it won’t hurt you, so if you enjoy posting in a forum your signature is an easy way to collect some linkpower. For sure it shouldn’t be the only source, variety is king.
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Yeah, this is great if you want to generate through your built signature. DoFollow Forum is a good way to build links. It’s also good when you want a better updating of your signature..please check
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Stephan, great post, very informative. I agree, forum posting is great for building a shed load of links in a short time.
I placed a link to an article I had recently written on a well known webmasters forum recently. in one 30 second post I had got 3 links to different area’s of my site, received lots of reputation points on the forum, and drove lots of traffic to the site, which resulted in 2 good quality leads.
There is a cool little plugin for firefox called NoDoFollow Which highlights links either pink or blue so you see instantly if a link is NoFollow.
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If the forum is related to niche of the blog I believe the value of the link will be great.
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I’m using a firefox extension called “NoDoFollow” that takes a fraction of the time. It highlights all the links that are dofollow as blue and the nofollow ones as pink. I also write articles, and even though I’m relatively new at this I’ve already started receiving some traffic to my sites because of the few articles I’ve written.
yes this the famous way to build links even i used to and let me say that it works….
Thanks for your great feedback. I will do my best to satisfy your eyes with good stuff
forums have been a real source of generating traffic all around the globe… these are the ultimate source that gets the traffic going until you are not playing by the rules… this is a clean and clear approach fro having some good traffic… because people join forums for seeking knowledge and if you are being the sincere member at the forum then you will have the traffic …
Some of forum will give you a dofollow signature link after you reach 100 post, like digitalpoint forum and sitepoint forum.
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Do follow backlinks are truly one of the most important aspects in SEO overlooked by webmasters and bloggers. Props for the information.
There is an easy way of finding forums with signature option enabled,search for “your key word powered by vbulletin” and you will see a list of forums with a option of signature
Forums are always great backlinks. Great information on how to find out if blog is nofollow or dofollow. Thanks!
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Thanks for the info, i really dont know about dofollow links value, i have given links to other forums but i didnt take dofollow into account, now i understood thats why my pages are not ranked well even though i worked hard on it. thanks for the nice information.. i will bookmark this post.
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This look interesting,so far.
If there’s anyone else here, let me know.
Oh, and yes I’m a real person LOL.
Later,
Any webmaster is allway know forum is hight traffic source
thanks for sharing
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Stephan Miller,
I like your article Building Links Through DoFollow Forum Signatures. But I wold like to add my small contribution to your article, something that no one mentioned. Google official statement is that every link at web pages over 100 external links, it won’t crawled and indexed as well.
Signatures at forums often contain about 3 external links per posted message and often 1 external link within message. One web page contain about 20 or more posted messages so web pages at forums contains about nearly 100 external links.
External link which is 100-th at web page has zero value in google algorithm. Previous mentioned also include and blogs as well. Think about that!
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I understand that statement but in practice, I have found dofollow forum links worthwhile. Not necessarily for PageRank but for targeted keywords.
Thanks for this do-follow list.
I have found this to be an effective strategy as well. And really it’s not just about PageRank. The nofollow tag may keep the juice from flowing but the spiders still recognize the link to your site, so it still counts as a backlink.
I republished this on one of my wordpress.com SEO blogs (with link back of course)
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@web dizajn Thanks for the info on external links in blog post. I didn’t know this before! Thanks Stephan for the good, informative post.
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